Diary of a Sutton Councillor

Shotfield zebra on its way

004Your ward councillors’ work to get a zebra crossing in Shotfield is nearly complete.

This week notices will be going up to formally consult on putting a zebra crossing in the road opposite the Jubilee Health Centre. You will be able to view the notice from 27th November on the council website under reference T30085 and can register your support or opposition to the scheme by emailing: traffic.postbook@sutton.gov.uk quoting reference T30085.

As the request for the crossing was put to us by a number of local residents who found it difficult to cross the road to access the Health Centre we hope that there will be plenty of support. Cllr Muhammad Sadiq, who took up the campaign from Monica when he joined the Wallington South team said, ‘I think it will be helpful for the large number of elderly people who live in this area and use the Health Centre regularly.’

 

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November 24, 2014 - Posted by | Information | , ,

24 Comments »

  1. Thank you must needed.regards

    Comment by Anne Chohan | November 24, 2014 | Reply

  2. Why not put in courtosy crossings like at Hackbridge, as you obviously don’t believe that formal crossings are needed. As per you actions at the full council meeting in which you blocked the proposal for formal crossings on a busier road than the one in this article.

    Comment by Andrew Dyer | November 24, 2014 | Reply

  3. Whilst this is great news for the elderly and infirm. giving them a sense of security in crossing the road to the health centre, I do find it rather odd that you are proposing to install an additional, much needed crossing, in what is, essentially a minor side road, yet you recently removed a zebra crossing from a major A road in Hackbridge and recently voted against reinstalling it at a Full Council meeting.

    Don’t get me wrong, I approve of this application, but cannot get my head around the fact that you fully support this but also support the refusal to reinstal a much needed crossing on a major through route into London.

    Comment by 4chordsnonet | November 24, 2014 | Reply

  4. This is great news for the residents, a real benefit to the community.
    Us poor folk in Hackbridge have to cross London Road using ‘courtesy crossings’ which is a nightmare, especially for those who are less confident or less able. The courtesy crossings are still in place despite fierce local opposition, and our ward councillors have their head stuck in the sand. I believe all the ward councillors blocked plans to change the crossings in a recent meeting, yourself included. So what’s right for Wallington isn’t for Hackbridge.?

    Comment by Joe | November 24, 2014 | Reply

    • I believe in local people working out local solutions. It is not one size fits all. The Hackbridge scheme was championed by a group of local residents, and is now being criticised by a different group of local residents. They need to work out a solution, civilly, between themselves that the council can then help to implement.
      As this post is clear, a zebra crossing is being proposed for Shotfield, but it is being put out to Wallington residents to express their support or reject it.

      Comment by jaynemccoy | November 24, 2014 | Reply

      • Everything we are campaigning for now was mentioned during the consultation by those views were to be ignored!

        Comment by Nikki S | November 24, 2014

      • I registered my concern about removing the Zebras during the consultation phase – my views were ignored by the delivery board.
        I too hope that the situation remains “civil” although not sure why you felt it necessary to say so.

        Comment by Joe | November 24, 2014

  5. I am so pleased for the local residents in Wallington who have managed to get the FULL support of their ward councillors to back them 100% and are now getting a formal crossing outside the local health centre. Its just such a shame that the Wandle Valley councillors have not felt that they can support their residents in the same way in Hackbridge. Congratulations to the local residents in Wallington but its a kick in the teeth for those that live in the Wandle Valley Ward. Wandle Valley Councillors not only do not support their residents, they also don’t even reply to emails that are sent to them by concerned residents in Hackbridge.

    Comment by Tracey Collins | November 24, 2014 | Reply

  6. Thank you Jayne. Hopefully Wallington Residents will fully support the proposal of the zebra crossing being put forward for the road outside the Jubilee Centre. I also believe in local people working out local solutions. But its not very good when the conversation is all one sided. I emailed the Wandle Valley Ward councillors over two weeks ago… I know councillors do not work to the same time scale as council officers in replying to emails (ie officers reply time is two working days as informed to me by Niall Bolger)… But two weeks and no reply…But anyway that is for me to take up with my ward councillors. Hoping the Zebra crossing in Wallington gets the full backing of local residents.

    Comment by Tracey Collins | November 24, 2014 | Reply

    • I know that the Hackbridge ward councillors are working very hard to find solutions, but there is more than one body of opinion and they have a difficult job trying to bring the community together when not everyone feels able to voice their opinions.

      Comment by jaynemccoy | November 24, 2014 | Reply

      • So far only one body of opinion has been heard, that is why we have ended up with this scheme – we were in the minority and it is only now we feel that we should speak up as we have been ignored over the years throughout the consultation period.

        Comment by Nikki S | November 24, 2014

      • Does that include local ward councillors not being able to voice their opinions.
        Also you keep referring to another body of opinion.. Fair enough if it exists apart from in members and officers eyes.. Please show the evidence if that otherwise stop referring to this non existent body.

        Comment by Tim crowley | November 24, 2014

      • Ordinary people who have expressed support for the new scheme at Hackbridge or dissent from the views being expressed by those opposed to it have complained of being abused, bullied and verbally beaten into submission so that they and others are no longer willing to voice their opinions publicly. Disagreements will occur on almost every topic, but in a civilised society the solution must be open discussion not a shouting down of opposition. And a solution can only be reached with a willingness to compromise on both sides. The campaigners have been listened to, evidence sought via safety audits and changes made or proposed in consideration of that. I think that that is the correct way to proceed, rather than a knee-jerk reaction.

        Comment by jaynemccoy | November 25, 2014

      • could you please let me know who’s opinion is it that curtosy crossings are safer than zebras? One has no legal need for drivers to stop and the other does. Why is a zebra more appropriate for your less busy road?

        Comment by Andrew Dyer | November 24, 2014

  7. There are many elderly residents living in Hackbridge who are in fear of crossing the road. They deserve formal crossings as much as anywhere else in the borough! Regardless of how many bodies of opinion there are on any issue, when the safety of children, the elderly, the disabled and the visually impaired are compromised then that is the only issue that matters!

    Comment by Riaz Hossenbux | November 24, 2014 | Reply

  8. There are many elderly residents in Hackbridge that deserve formal crossings as well as anywhere else in the borough! Many elderly residents now fear crossing the road in Hackbridge for their own safety. It doesn’t matter if there are ten bodies of opinion the only one that matters is the one that doesn’t compromise the safety of children, the elderly, the disabled and the visually impaired.

    Comment by Riaz Hossenbux | November 24, 2014 | Reply

  9. Jayne, you seem to be suggesting that the current campaign for a solution to improved safety of drivers and pedestrians in Hackbridge is not being carried out “civilly”? I couldn’t disagree more, the campaign has been nothing but peaceful and undertaken in a purposeful manner.

    You have additionally stated that one body of opinion feel unable to express their views – what views and where are these people?

    The Council has repeatedly referred to the public consultations and the fact that resident views were listened to; however, you only listened to one body of opinion during the consultations didn’t you? The concerns that were raised at consultation stage around removal of the zebra crossings were completely ignored in favour of something that looked nice on paper.

    Can you also tell me why the Council appears to be constructing and/or improving formal crossings across the Borough, but has removed them in Hackbridge? Also, as you will be aware the changes to Hackbridge have made it a virtual no-go area for some older persons and those with a visual impairment or/or disability; how does the removal of the Hackbridge crossings meet with the Councils commitment to equality and diversity, i.e.

    – making our services open and accessible so that everyone is listened to and treated with respect;
    – empowering everyone so that we can all ‘take part and take pride’ as active citizens and employees

    Comment by Jackie Inglethorpe | November 24, 2014 | Reply

  10. It may be of interest that two signalised pedestrian crossings were removed as part of the Wallington town centre revamp and replaced with nothing but a narrowing of the road at one crossing point. This was in an area heavily used by elderly and disabled people. The improvement works received praise from the staff at the nearby Orchard Hill College for making the area easier to navigate for their severely disabled students. Courtesy crossings have been used across the borough including in Worcester Park as part of that resident-led OLF scheme. Entry treatments were recently implemented in Stafford Road in Wallington which operate on a similar principle to courtesy crossings. In other places in Wallington a new pedestrian crossing has been installed outside a school. Proposing a local solution for Wallington residents should not be hijacked to mean anything other than what it is – a local option for local people to decide upon.

    Comment by jaynemccoy | November 25, 2014 | Reply

    • In January I will have lived in Wallington South, your ward, for 50 years, having moved here from Wiltshire in January 1965. I do not recall any signalised crossings being removed in Wallington town centre. The only crossing that I recall being removed was a Zebra Crossing (which is not signalised) at the junction of Beddington Gardens and Woodcote Road, which was replaced in a slightly different place by a signalised Pelican crossing.

      Could you let me know where these two crossing that were removed were, as my memory might be playing tricks with me.

      Comment by 4chordsnonet | November 25, 2014 | Reply

      • Here is a link to a picture showing the pelican crossing in Beddington Gardens:https://jaynemccoysblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/71112231.jpg?w=348&h=194
        And here a link to a picture showing signalised crossings on Woodcote Road on both the north and south side of the Beddington Gardens junction:https://jaynemccoysblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/image-of-wallington-before-and-after-works11.jpg?w=1050&h=438

        Comment by jaynemccoy | November 26, 2014

      • Thank you Jayne for the links to the two crossings. I have to apologise and admit that my memory has failed me. Even looking at the photo of the crossing in Beddington Gardens I still can’t remember it being there, a Zebra crossing yes, but a light controlled one, no.

        However, to be fair I don’t think that you can count the one in Woodcote Road. The junction is not that large and there is still a crossing South of Beddington Gardens.

        Comment by 4chordsnonet | November 26, 2014

      • Thank you. The reference wasn’t intended as a direct comparison, only an illustration that even within my ward different solutions are agreed for different areas.

        Comment by jaynemccoy | November 26, 2014

  11. This is a moderated site.

    I have included a few comments from Hackbridge campaigners for ‘balance’, but I will not be accepting further comments relating to that campaign here. There is already at least one site for the campaign to promote its views.

    Comment by jaynemccoy | November 25, 2014 | Reply


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